Active PIVX Turkey Promotion Work

[Gerrald]

I'm not saying helping I'm saying have access to and you know that. @talhatr @Rigden15937 it sounds like eric trusts you enough to help with socials! Let's get an edited proposal together so it's written down that you are requesting to be added so you have official access to the main socials as well! Obviously if you want to.

I've been pushing for expanding and improving socials for so long. If you 2 have not proven yourselves to have access by now I believe all this "you need to prove yourselves to be trusted with things like logins" was all a smoke screen and all these people with access will never hand over power or allow access for other people who want to help build and expand pivx. Which is what I've been saying for so long now.

MNOs don't vote NO, to hand over decisions to be "In your view". They vote NO to not fund the proposal.

Note that if funding is rejected, you are not being fired. You are just not getting paid.

Literally clutching on to control the lot of you are now. I don't know how many times I need to prove this.

 

[talhatr]

Lately, there’s been a tense atmosphere, and to be honest, I’ve started seeing myself as an unwanted person. If you’re not satisfied with me, please feel free to openly express it. I’m trying to improve myself…

I spoke with Hawtch and requested the raw versions of the videos so that I can add subtitles. Eric previously asked why I hadn’t requested these, and he was right. Another question is why the marketing team hasn’t sent these videos to local ambassadors, giving them the opportunity to translate them into their own languages. We can always ask questions. I truly don’t understand what’s going on.

Preparing official graphic files and videos is the marketing team’s responsibility. Of course, we can also create visuals, but the main point is “PRESERVING BRAND VALUE.” I already know I’m not as professional as Hawtch. Graphic files are regularly sent to us, and we translate the content into Turkish. The Discord graphic room is already like a visual archive. Perhaps I could prepare an archive by finding the links to old posts.

Right now, I’m asking myself how I can do my current job better. There’s a negative attitude within the community, and I’m trying to figure out why by self-reflecting. Ambassadors, node owners, or individuals may leave, but the only permanent thing is the PIVX project itself. That’s why I’m a little upset. Even a person who earned five times the amount I requested for doing nothing over three months was met with silence.

Since the day I joined, I’ve been trying to do more than my best for PIVX. At the very least, it’s important for this to be acknowledged. RESPECTFULLY.

 

[Gerrald]

Lately, there’s been a tense atmosphere, and to be honest, I’ve started seeing myself as an unwanted person. If you’re not satisfied with me, please feel free to openly express it. I’m trying to improve myself…

I spoke with Hawtch and requested the raw versions of the videos so that I can add subtitles. Eric previously asked why I hadn’t requested these, and he was right. Another question is why the marketing team hasn’t sent these videos to local ambassadors, giving them the opportunity to translate them into their own languages. We can always ask questions. I truly don’t understand what’s going on.

Preparing official graphic files and videos is the marketing team’s responsibility. Of course, we can also create visuals, but the main point is “PRESERVING BRAND VALUE.” I already know I’m not as professional as Hawtch. Graphic files are regularly sent to us, and we translate the content into Turkish. The Discord graphic room is already like a visual archive. Perhaps I could prepare an archive by finding the links to old posts.

Right now, I’m asking myself how I can do my current job better. There’s a negative attitude within the community, and I’m trying to figure out why by self-reflecting. Ambassadors, node owners, or individuals may leave, but the only permanent thing is the PIVX project itself. That’s why I’m a little upset. Even a person who earned five times the amount I requested for doing nothing over three months was met with silence.

Since the day I joined, I’ve been trying to do more than my best for PIVX. At the very least, it’s important for this to be acknowledged. RESPECTFULLY.

The problem how I see it anyway is they don't want to give up control/give access to other people and keep it in their closed circle. I've been discussing this for years and get shut down all the time. Funding controls the direction of pivx not these closed group of people.

You have proven yourself a pivian. You actively are trying to expand pivx in ways you see fit. My idea is to use your enthusiasm and social activities on the official channels. Not create others which eric seems to agree with. This closed group I see as the speed hump in our way from pushing pivx and enticing others in to join and help. If people see no way of getting invovled bar prove yourself and retweet why would anyone bother?

Also who do they think your proving yourself to bar the placed people? They feel they already having access puts them above everyone else where as I believe the votes should be the deciding factor of roles and direction.

There needs to be clear guidelines of how someone takes over/joins a role such as socials. This means access to all resources and accounts. I ain't holding my breath tho. Eric has already stated they would ignore the vote and just continue on without funding. They've held control for to long now and won't give it up. The vote should always control who's in charge of what. Not the placed people with a whale backing them who would ignore a no vote and just continue on.

 

[Eric_Stanek]

The source code logic for MNO votes is ....

If (Net Yes votes > 10% of total MN count) {
Send funds they asked for
}

It doesn't matter how loud you get, how many times you state your view, or how you want to interpret what a Yes or No votes means. The code is the code is the code is the code ......

There is no functionality for the MN vote to make any other decisions.

If there is a No vote, we don't know how many votes to attribute to any other indirect reason. The only thing we know, is the MNOs voted that the funds should not be paid.

PIVX is a Meritocracy. People need to prove themselves first. That process is in place in each team and works well. You are the only person I am aware of, that disagrees. There are likely more, but I am not aware of who they are. Regardless, unless there is an overwhelming consensus in the Community, it won't change. It would be far easier for you to fork the code and start your own coin.

 

[Hawtch]

AFAIK, the Marketing team just got their own instance of NextCloud and is still migrating to it. They don't have things fully configured for themselves yet, let alone anyone else. The better question is why haven't people who need access, asked for it? Further, where is the public access for their graphic source files so others can translate their work?

@Eric_Stanek thanks for giving insight as to what we are doing. Appreciate it.

@Gerrald great question. Thanks for tagging me.
I admit I haven't requested as much of the translation team lately. I have received inconsistent responses in the past and I quickly gave up. That is on me and it's not fair to the community or these awesome volunteers. Because they are VOLUNTEERS. I need to step that up to use for custom transcripts in other languages.

Unfortunately it is quite hard to provide a source file, like Meerkat does with photoshop, should we want to create the in-video text as the translated language. With a lot of video work, you need to be well acquainted with the software in order to edit it. On one hand I could receive the translations and put in the text, but this is prone to language errors I don't understand and much more time spent, or on the other hand I could work with some of these translators to teach them to do it on their own. Either way is a toughy, but this IS something we will need to figure out.

The best way (IMO) is to request a transcript translation - after we upload to be a custom translation should people choose another language in closed captions. The struggle is it's a volunteer position - perhaps I need to step up my 'Purple Rain' game and put incentives for the sake of consistency. I think this might be best.

The Nextcloud Server​

I pay for this server out of my own pocket for my team and I so we have a place to consolidate all our notes, passwords, chats, files, task management, and calendars. This isn't to say people aren't invited, but we won't put mass invites out.

We will however invite any team members that want to be involved in what we are doing and collaborate with us, such as the translation team. @talhatr is a great example - I am compiling all the videos he and the other translators need today in order to send them a permanent invite to the "Finals" folder where they can access our post-ready files and scripts. If they want to be involved more with the marketing ideas and building process, we would welcome it - primarily the ones who have been a while and are a solidified part of PIVX.

How I have solved this in the past is to create a 'Community Assets' folder where people can use the various files, images, and templates they would need to create their own media. I can do this again to make sure the community is equipped to make their own socials that have our branded assets.

Concerning socials expanded​

We work together with LeacyMck and Meerkat here and there, but it can definitely be improved. On our side of things, I think we need to do a better job of letting @Rigden15937 and LeacyMck know when things are scheduled to go out and request these things to be posted on the various platforms they manage. Appreciate the constructive criticism.

 

[Hawtch]

The problem how I see it anyway is they don't want to give up control/give access to other people and keep it in their closed circle. I've been discussing this for years and get shut down all the time. Funding controls the direction of pivx not these closed group of people.

You have proven yourself a pivian. You actively are trying to expand pivx in ways you see fit. My idea is to use your enthusiasm and social activities on the official channels. Not create others which eric seems to agree with. This closed group I see as the speed hump in our way from pushing pivx and enticing others in to join and help. If people see no way of getting invovled bar prove yourself and retweet why would anyone bother?

Also who do they think your proving yourself to bar the placed people? They feel they already having access puts them above everyone else where as I believe the votes should be the deciding factor of roles and direction.

There needs to be clear guidelines of how someone takes over/joins a role such as socials. This means access to all resources and accounts. I ain't holding my breath tho. Eric has already stated they would ignore the vote and just continue on without funding. They've held control for to long now and won't give it up. The vote should always control who's in charge of what. Not the placed people with a whale backing them who would ignore a no vote and just continue on.

It's a bit tough with the Google PIVX account as it accesses a bunch of stuff registered with it, and it's prone to vulnerability should someone make any mistakes with security, password or looking up personal credit cards/addresses registered for certain services. This is why it's been hard to share access to the Youtube despite being able to share access to, let's say, our Tik Tok or Rumble page. I agree though, and that's why @Jeffrey has shared access to all of these in case someone dies, leaves, or acts maliciously. It's a bit of a catch 22 in the end, unfortunately.

I agree about consolidation and having someone who is voted in honoured for their voted in role. I think that best thing is to have these people work in tandem with the existing marketing team and be given access where necessary. Currently with the Youtube, we have the option to move it to a branded channel but it comes with the risk of deleting all our data - if it becomes a branded channel, we can give manager roles in order for people share posting and editing on the platform.

I've been brainstorming how this whole conundrum can be handled for other languages and regions. My thought is, we work with people willing to do what @talhatr is doing and both teach them to use the software, and give mentorship/feedback on the media they create. They could handle, let's say, a PIVX Turkey Youtube channel, that would coincide with all our posts and have additional content that they could now create by themselves or with a team.

It's a lot of extra time, but hoping in the long run it is worth it.

 

[Hawtch]

Lately, there’s been a tense atmosphere, and to be honest, I’ve started seeing myself as an unwanted person. If you’re not satisfied with me, please feel free to openly express it. I’m trying to improve myself…

I spoke with Hawtch and requested the raw versions of the videos so that I can add subtitles. Eric previously asked why I hadn’t requested these, and he was right. Another question is why the marketing team hasn’t sent these videos to local ambassadors, giving them the opportunity to translate them into their own languages. We can always ask questions. I truly don’t understand what’s going on.

Preparing official graphic files and videos is the marketing team’s responsibility. Of course, we can also create visuals, but the main point is “PRESERVING BRAND VALUE.” I already know I’m not as professional as Hawtch. Graphic files are regularly sent to us, and we translate the content into Turkish. The Discord graphic room is already like a visual archive. Perhaps I could prepare an archive by finding the links to old posts.

Right now, I’m asking myself how I can do my current job better. There’s a negative attitude within the community, and I’m trying to figure out why by self-reflecting. Ambassadors, node owners, or individuals may leave, but the only permanent thing is the PIVX project itself. That’s why I’m a little upset. Even a person who earned five times the amount I requested for doing nothing over three months was met with silence.

Since the day I joined, I’ve been trying to do more than my best for PIVX. At the very least, it’s important for this to be acknowledged. RESPECTFULLY.

If I have made you feel unwanted, I deeply apologize. That is not the case and I fully support your efforts and the spirit behind them.

 

[Gerrald]

Thanks for you detailed replies @Hawtch it seems you have a plan which is what has been lacking

 

[talhatr]

If I have made you feel unwanted, I deeply apologize. That is not the case and I fully support your efforts and the spirit behind them.

No, never, I am inspired by your efforts to help and to move forward. I will act in the hope that we can do things together and I will take responsibility, aware of the initiatives you will take. Regards

 

[Hawtch]

Thanks for you detailed replies @Hawtch it seems you have a plan which is what has been lacking

No worries. It's more of an idea than an executed plan.

I have reached out to @talhatr and we will figure it out.

I am trying to figure out how I can take the translation team and equip them to both take our media we make and translate it to regional accounts and possibly head up their own efforts in that area. It would be a fairly hefty timesink in order to do this - most of my time would be teaching and managing. In the long run it may be worth it, but in the short run in may inhibit my amount of work I get done practically. On top of this I'm not sure this is something we can do unless we offer some form of compensation - taking on a role of learning and heading up their own country/regions socials.

I was thinking Talhatr might be a good place to start since he shows eagerness and passion.

Today we had a large meeting and it was evident that we need to start ramping up efforts in Asia and surrounding areas. This idea would be really beneficial in that sense, but we need to find people with as much gumption and passion as Talhatr.

Any ideas and criticsm are welcome. I got tough skin.

 

[talhatr]

I look forward to learning and doing new things under your leadership without interrupting my own work. The common point is to bring PIVX to better places. I hope I can succeed.

No worries. It's more of an idea than an executed plan.

I have reached out to @talhatr and we will figure it out.

I am trying to figure out how I can take the translation team and equip them to both take our media we make and translate it to regional accounts and possibly head up their own efforts in that area. It would be a fairly hefty timesink in order to do this - most of my time would be teaching and managing. In the long run it may be worth it, but in the short run in may inhibit my amount of work I get done practically. On top of this I'm not sure this is something we can do unless we offer some form of compensation - taking on a role of learning and heading up their own country/regions socials.

I was thinking Talhatr might be a good place to start since he shows eagerness and passion.

Today we had a large meeting and it was evident that we need to start ramping up efforts in Asia and surrounding areas. This idea would be really beneficial in that sense, but we need to find people with as much gumption and passion as Talhatr.

Any ideas and criticsm are welcome. I got tough skin.