@clem @RedByrd @Hawtch how about we get some stuff that is an easy step by step guide on how to add pivx to businesses? Small and big! If it's not much effort I'm sure loads would take it on plus it allows all of us to approach businesses and say this is all you need to do. Nowpayments.io pisses me off. They add fees on at the end on coinsbee. Pivcards says it how it is from the start. We need adoption. Privacy is a bonus. Ease of use and create pivx more of a currency is my view.
Easy to add pivx to your business!
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Hello @Gerrald, I share similar sentiments with @RedByrd. I totally agree that we need to push for grassroot adoption and interestingly, I was in talks with @Eric_Stanek about this just last night. I am sure Jeffrey has a whole lot cooking.
Now, I'd step back and answer your question as an outsider. In December, I wrote an article on the top places you can spend PIVX (https://medium.com/pivx/top-places-you-can-use-your-pivx-52ce16791715). So far, we have PIVCards, Travala, Coinsbee, and other merchant shops (through payment gateways). Creating an article or guide on how to add PIVX to your business is not an issue. The real question should be what incentives do I have to even make PIVX a payment option?
As a local business owner, all that matters to me are making sales and convenience for my customers. Will making PIVX a payment option solve any of these problems? No!
Let's leave businesses out of the equation. As a noob to crypto, would I ordinarily levitate towards PIVX? Chances are also no. The big guys have the spot light.
Do you agree that there is no "compelling" incentive for adoption?
However, I think I get your point on creating a guide for this purpose and I'll start working on something from my end. They still have to go through payment gateways though or manually accept PIV.
Now, I'd step back and answer your question as an outsider. In December, I wrote an article on the top places you can spend PIVX (https://medium.com/pivx/top-places-you-can-use-your-pivx-52ce16791715). So far, we have PIVCards, Travala, Coinsbee, and other merchant shops (through payment gateways). Creating an article or guide on how to add PIVX to your business is not an issue. The real question should be what incentives do I have to even make PIVX a payment option?
As a local business owner, all that matters to me are making sales and convenience for my customers. Will making PIVX a payment option solve any of these problems? No!
Let's leave businesses out of the equation. As a noob to crypto, would I ordinarily levitate towards PIVX? Chances are also no. The big guys have the spot light.
Do you agree that there is no "compelling" incentive for adoption?
However, I think I get your point on creating a guide for this purpose and I'll start working on something from my end. They still have to go through payment gateways though or manually accept PIV.
Eric_Stanek
Well-known Pivian
The goal is super valuable, and definitely a target we want to aim for. But there are major problems. Still, all problems are also opportunities, so let's take that approach to solving this.
First, the problems ..... well, some of the obvious ones.
1. The retail owner is going to be really hard to reach. Rarely are they behind the cash. Usually they are in an office at some other location.
2. Convincing a business owner to accept crypto is going to be hard.
3. Convincing that same owner that PIVX is THE crypto is harder again.
4. Let's face it. None of the customers will have PIVX, or know what it is.
5. The business needs to convert to fiat for accounting purposes.
6. The customer needs to buy PIVX, but why? Fiat is just as private.
7. There is near zero value of solving all the above, as the business owner will not see an increase in sales.
Now, the solution.
Note that much of the 'PIVX Labs Eco-system' can be used for this, and just repackaged a little differently. Mostly MPW, PIVCards and PIVX rewards.
We should design a Loyalty Rewards/Points system. It doesn't need to be even explained as crypto or even PIVX, although the 'points' would indeed be PIVX. In fact, the app could be white labeled and just 'Powered By PIVX'. But, the app might be called 'Coffee Credits' or 'Pizza Points'.
The app would replace those silly little business card sized cards that small shops used to hand out, where they punch a hole or add a stamp, for every purchase over $5 or, for every coffee etc. and then on the 10th coffee, you get one free .... or whatever.
Now, there are still some logistics to solve, but basically, anyone can pay with PIVX at a retailer like this. It doesn't have to be using their app. Because their app is just a PIVX wallet. So, someone like Borris pays for a tray of coffees and donuts at the local coffee shop, using his MPW, and that then tops up their wallet they use to give out rewards of say $0.25 for every $5 spent.
The beauty of such a system is, there is no big 3rd party telling them how to use the loyalty program, and charge them fees to set it up. They also can set their own limits, and only disburse 'coffee credits' while they have a balance. But once the circular economy in their store gets traction, they're going to find a way to buy more off an exchange, or encourage crypto customers like Borris to always pay with PIV to top it up for them.
People will get exposed to 'Coffee Credits' or 'Pizza Points' and much later figure out it is crypto. Then they'll be even more eager to collect points/Credits because they can exchange them for other coins too. Or .... they build a balance and realize their rewards are earning them a free coffee every day!
I could go on and on ..... I have been thinking about this for a long time .... but this solves almost all the problems listed above. It can also spread from retailer to retailer easily. After all, accepting credits/points earned at some other retailer is not an issue. It is money!
I am out of time right now, but I think the next logical step is to find a PIVian who owns a pizza or coffee shop etc. where a 'grass roots' style loyalty program would work well, is what we want to look for.
Hope this generates lots more discussion.
First, the problems ..... well, some of the obvious ones.
1. The retail owner is going to be really hard to reach. Rarely are they behind the cash. Usually they are in an office at some other location.
2. Convincing a business owner to accept crypto is going to be hard.
3. Convincing that same owner that PIVX is THE crypto is harder again.
4. Let's face it. None of the customers will have PIVX, or know what it is.
5. The business needs to convert to fiat for accounting purposes.
6. The customer needs to buy PIVX, but why? Fiat is just as private.
7. There is near zero value of solving all the above, as the business owner will not see an increase in sales.
Now, the solution.
Note that much of the 'PIVX Labs Eco-system' can be used for this, and just repackaged a little differently. Mostly MPW, PIVCards and PIVX rewards.
We should design a Loyalty Rewards/Points system. It doesn't need to be even explained as crypto or even PIVX, although the 'points' would indeed be PIVX. In fact, the app could be white labeled and just 'Powered By PIVX'. But, the app might be called 'Coffee Credits' or 'Pizza Points'.
The app would replace those silly little business card sized cards that small shops used to hand out, where they punch a hole or add a stamp, for every purchase over $5 or, for every coffee etc. and then on the 10th coffee, you get one free .... or whatever.
Now, there are still some logistics to solve, but basically, anyone can pay with PIVX at a retailer like this. It doesn't have to be using their app. Because their app is just a PIVX wallet. So, someone like Borris pays for a tray of coffees and donuts at the local coffee shop, using his MPW, and that then tops up their wallet they use to give out rewards of say $0.25 for every $5 spent.
The beauty of such a system is, there is no big 3rd party telling them how to use the loyalty program, and charge them fees to set it up. They also can set their own limits, and only disburse 'coffee credits' while they have a balance. But once the circular economy in their store gets traction, they're going to find a way to buy more off an exchange, or encourage crypto customers like Borris to always pay with PIV to top it up for them.
People will get exposed to 'Coffee Credits' or 'Pizza Points' and much later figure out it is crypto. Then they'll be even more eager to collect points/Credits because they can exchange them for other coins too. Or .... they build a balance and realize their rewards are earning them a free coffee every day!
I could go on and on ..... I have been thinking about this for a long time .... but this solves almost all the problems listed above. It can also spread from retailer to retailer easily. After all, accepting credits/points earned at some other retailer is not an issue. It is money!
I am out of time right now, but I think the next logical step is to find a PIVian who owns a pizza or coffee shop etc. where a 'grass roots' style loyalty program would work well, is what we want to look for.
Hope this generates lots more discussion.
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Hawtch
Active Pivian
I'll be honest, this sounds like an incredibly fun but intense endeavour. I don't necessarily have time to develop on my own, given my current workload. I AM, however, willing to work with everyone else to develop this as a larger team. It would most likely need the collaboration between Labs, Business Development, Marketing, and passionate volunteers in the community.
To start properly, I think this needs to be approached as one would a business plan - start by making a long list of things we need to do, questions we need to answer, and pain points we need to overcome. Additionally, make a step by step plan on how to execute. In my opinion, this should be a shared word document or PDF we can all contribute to.
I really like the real and sobering perspective you all are coming at this with. Incentive is the best way, and the best incentive is straight up $$$. Using an accumulated 'points' that could be cashed out at as PIV or SOMETHING like that is a good start. Money makes the world turn.
To start properly, I think this needs to be approached as one would a business plan - start by making a long list of things we need to do, questions we need to answer, and pain points we need to overcome. Additionally, make a step by step plan on how to execute. In my opinion, this should be a shared word document or PDF we can all contribute to.
I really like the real and sobering perspective you all are coming at this with. Incentive is the best way, and the best incentive is straight up $$$. Using an accumulated 'points' that could be cashed out at as PIV or SOMETHING like that is a good start. Money makes the world turn.
Eric_Stanek
Well-known Pivian
I shared a link to this post in Labs. This is how JSkitty replied.
Hawtch
Active Pivian
I think maybe @Eric_Stanek this is our Big Goal - something we can all unite on that would require everyone's collective skills?
Eric_Stanek
Well-known Pivian
Could be .... but do we have the dev resources?
Maybe we start with MPW as it is, and target one industry sector, in one geographical location?
Eric_Stanek
Well-known Pivian
If we need to create a generic version of MPW, so that we can avoid making things appear more complicated than they are, by not mentioning crypto, or PIVX, we can get a domain like BorrisBonus.org. 
Hey @clem reach out to us if you think we can help with a video. I don't know the direct line to integrate with businesses, but if we can come up with a system happy to help!
I think it's best @Gerrald clarifies. But what I think he meant was like a how-to video on how to make PIVX a payment option as a business owner.
I'm not sure what I need to clarify? Step by step idiot guides?
Can you also inform about these stories you have been posting? Are these a hobby? Something you like to post? I don't feel they should be posted on our pivx channel. Are you counting these hours writing this in your funding?
Eric_Stanek
Well-known Pivian
Saw this just now at a Thai restaurant. Relevant.
Ugh ... forum won't let me attach a picture?
Ugh ... forum won't let me attach a picture?
I was at a posh Chinese one other day in Amsterdam. The menu had a story before it. How spices were done, how Chinese people did whatever...but with pivx I don't see the need in a story. Especially when we are paying for the privilege. Facts, guides, walk-throughs is what I was expecting in this @clem Work.
Eric_Stanek
Well-known Pivian
Just realized there is a URL at the bottom ... interesting site.
www.keepcashalive.com
Keep Cash Alive
www.keepcashalive.com
Hawtch
Active Pivian
The stories, tbh, are another vehicle for delivering info. It's definitely not as straightforward as the things you listed. I do see where you are coming from Gerald, if Clem didn't make a clear expectation of all the content he wanted to write. Perhaps it simply needs justification and explaining?
I am intrigued by it, and personally I am not opposed to it. I think It could be useful to reach more people, since it isn't the same type of content every other coin/exchange/listing has. Def need to see how well others react to them.
I think where the menu example breaks down is the long story is in a restaurant menu where people expect the main content to be food and their main experience to be food on their table - whereas Medium is a place people go to and know they are there to read content and that's it.
Personally, I see it as long form educating/advertising about topics such as privacy. Stories and parables have been a useful vehicle to explain hard-to-understand concepts and invoke feelings since the dawn of man. I see stories/parable teaching kind of like comedy these days - it makes people accept information that they might normally reject, be apathetic to, or oppose. The other day I opened up the article and found I was reading through the story fully engaged, where I would normally get glossy eyed and close it.
Perhaps @clem could summarize the justification of that choice and explain how that is helpful in our efforts. I think that's a fair compromise to help direct where those efforts are going?
Hello @Gerrald, firstly, I'd appreciate if this feedback was provided on my proposal. However, you'd agree that writing stories is not the only form of content I create.
So far, I've created How-To articles and others on exchange listings, privacy-centric news, weekly price actions, amongst others. The ideas for a Storied-form content only came in three weeks ago and is done one in two weeks. It has not replaced other forms of content. Like I already mentioned, it is an experiment to see what works best.
Ye I know you do others. I just dont see how a story helps pivx? Please explain.
I think they wanted clarification on what type of "how-to for businesses" to use in a more specific manner.
I think one of the key things is the picture posted of Kitty's idea of loyalty or a reward system for making the move attractive to the business so there is something to offer for it as well. While we want to convert the business, it makes it more attractive to them by having systems to be comparable or better to cash or cashless systems out now. We need to leverage pivx promos, pivx rewards systems to benefit the business and convert fiat users.
Maybe we think of content for nowpayments and pivx rewards?
Here's a table showing the stats for my content on both Medium and Twitter. I must add that PIVX has only 51 followers on Medium and exploring stories and broader-typed content is a way to attract non-crypto users on Medium. In the case of Twitter, the numbers do not include likes and views of the reposts themselves.
| Article Title | Medium Views | Medium Reads | Twitter Views | Twitter Likes | Twitter Reposts |
PIVX Expands Reach: Listed on Indonesian Exchange TRIV | 22 | 5 | 2k | 33 | 13 |
| 7 Times Your Financial Privacy Was Compromised | 39 | 15 | 1.5k | 34 | 19 |
| What you need to know about the CFPB’s Personal Financial Data Rights Rule | 22 | 8 | 1.6k | 27 | 14 |
| PIVX Takes Flight on WEEX: Perpetual Contracts Now Live! | 25 | 4 | 1k | 30 | 14 |
| Government Surveillance Drives Encrypted Messaging App Dev Out of Australia | 39 | 22 | 1.3k | 24 | 15 |
| PIVX’s Next Big Leap: Poloniex Listing! | 58 | 26 | 4.2k | 51 | 28 |
| Money Laundering Facts: Fiat Vs. Crypto | 72 | 30 | 1.8k | 29 | 13 |
| Perpetual Contracts: A Beginner’s Guide | 47 | 26 | 2.5k | 29 | 17 |
| Meta’s $15M Privacy Violations Fine: A Wake-Up Call for the Digital Age | 18 | 4 | 2.3k | 31 | 15 |
| Top Places You Can Use Your PIVX | 60 | 22 | 1.4k | 29 | 15 |
| The Future of Privacy Coins | 79 | 39 | 2.1k | 41 | 18 |
| PIVX for Beginners: Your Complete Guide to Getting Started | 46 | 15 | 1.7k | 27 | 13 |
| Privacy: A Necessity for Web3’s Institutional Future | 19 | 5 | 1.4k | 39 | 17 |
| PIVX Welcomes Poloniex: A 2017 Legacy Fulfilled | 30 | 14 | 4.1k | 71 | 27 |
| PIVX Weekly Pulse (Dec 6th, 2024 — Dec 11th, 2024) | 49 | 16 | 2.9k | 41 | 15 |
| How to use PIVCards | 58 | 28 | 3k | 42 | 20 |
| Ethical Voting in DAOs: The Role of Masternode Owners in PIVX Governance | 32 | 15 | 2.1k | 21 | 16 |
| Year in Review | 27 | 9 | 1.6k | 33 | 18 |
| The Ethical Responsibility of Voting in PIVX | 19 | 4 | 1.5k | 23 | 15 |
| What is PIVX SHIELD? | 20 | 8 | 1.3k | 34 | 18 |
| PIVX Weekly Pulse (Jan 3rd, 2025 — Jan 10th, 2025) | 13 | 5 | 816 | 17 | 10 |
| Building a Stronger PIVX Through Ethical Governance | 20 | 4 | 1.3k | 31 | 21 |
| What Could Possibly Go Wrong | 47 | 11 | 2.9k | 23 | 15 |
| PIVX Lands on SuperEx | 18 | 6 | 1.5k | 32 | 17 |
| PIVX Weekly Pulse (Jan 10th, 2025 — Jan 17th, 2025) | 22 | 9 | 974 | 26 | 13 |
| What Could Possibly Go Wrong: Episode 2 | 17 | 4 | 1.9k | 25 | 18 |